architecture question

Lawrence K. Chen, P.Eng. lkchen at
Wed May 8 22:29:35 UTC 2013

Though there are plenty of students who are capable of getting their own domains, and some temporary web presence.....which popup for SGA elections....and probably are only needed for a couple of weeks.

Plus after the class, what would stop them from using the domain for something else....

OTOH, back in the day.... we went out and acquired IP space for that IP space is getting tight, I've wanted to find out how to return the class C block I had acquired.  But, most of the contact information on the IP block is invalid (all except for one technical, and the named organizational entity no longer exists.  So, I haven't been able to prove to ARIN that I am the same person that had acquired the IP space so I can't do anything like return the IP space.

IIRC, it was basically for the same reason the network IP space at LISA is a real IP.

Wonder how hard it would be do that with my home network (years ago at a previous employer....people could never get VPN to work if they had a home router....later they figured it out and said if you have a home router you need to use as your home network....I didn't bother with that, since I lived across the street....  not sure what ranges are safe to use if I were to VPN to current job, since days of ssh tunnel into work are numbered.)

----- Original Message -----
> On 2013-05-08 13:50, Mike Hoskins (michoski) wrote:
> > The spirit of education is often saving money based on a former
> > life as a
> > lab tech.  While cheap, the proposal to "just go register a real
> > one!"
> > seems good for $registrar, but potentially bad for the Internet
> > (will we
> > end up with a bunch of garbage domains that are never used again,
> > and
> > might actually want to be used by someone else, but will then be
> > squatted
> > when they expire? yada yada), and better suited for business vs
> > school
> > networks.
> >
> > Also, I had a digital entity long before entering a college
> > setting.  I
> > suspect kids these days are even more likely to have similar.  If
> > real is
> > the answer, maybe most students wouldn't have to do anything at
> > all.
> >
> > I really think a lab experiment would be fine using local TLDs, but
> > I
> > guess it's impossible to really know how valid some of the concerns
> > are
> > unless we sit through the class or see the course material.  :-)
> >
> A reasonable compromise might be a single domain purchased for use in
> course, with students using subdomains. This would cover a
> best-of-all-worlds, including internal and external considerations.
> It would also let the students' environments talk to each other, if
> this
> is desirable (and if the teacher adds appropriate DNS records, and
> the
> students configure properly)
> This is the approach my girlfriend used with a WordPress course she
> taught since one of the goals was to allow students to experiment and
> play from home and it worked well, but it would just as well with NS
> delegations.

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