That's very helpful, thanks. But it raises another question and that is how does a host with the standard resolver query the internal firewall ( dns server). Does it use UDP as well ? and I take it that total ICMP blocks on the internal LAN obviously will cause distress for DNS? ( I think the only way to communicate to the firewall is telnet ATT. Thanks Dave Oh and to the rest of the group thankyou for the sparkling debate on mail group etiquette. It kept me amused for hours 8-) ---- This mail item has passed through an insecure network. All enquiries should be directed to the message author.