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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Don't confuse dig +trace with what is
      happening or not at your name server.  When trace is enabled, dig
      performs the queries needed itself from the location the dig is
      run.  So, in other words, if your system is not allowed to send or
      receive DNS packets, then you'll never be able to perform a
      resolution and you will get the error noted below.  Any and all
      recursion performed by name servers on your behalf will mean
      different behaviour vs a +trace.<br>
      <br>
      To correctly determine where the resolution is failing, the dig
      needs to be run from the outside (closest to the internet)
      inward.  Do not bother using +trace when your system is not by
      default performing the entire resolution.  When you find the
      system which is failing to resolve the name, then you know it is a
      problem w/ that system and it's next step towards the internet.<br>
      <br>
      -- John<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 7/23/2013 12:35 PM, Shawn Bakhtiar wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Do you run your name servers from behind a
        firewall, or is your firewall (iptables) turned on?<br>
        <br>
        We run our name servers from behind a firewall, my network
        computers give the same problem when I run  <font
          style="font-size: 10pt;" size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span
            style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">dig
            +trace <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="c_nobdr t_prs"
              href="http://www.fransiplus.com/" target="_blank">www.fransiplus.com</a></span></font><br>
        <br>
        The only place I can run the dig +trace <a
          moz-do-not-send="true" href="www.fransiplus.com"
          target="_blank">www.fransiplus.com</a> without failing is on
        the external authoritative servers. <br>
        <br>
        There is a good explanation of what this fails here:<br>
        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://otrs.menandmice.com/otrs/public.pl?Action=PublicFAQZoom;CategoryID=21;ItemID=75"
          target="_blank">https://otrs.menandmice.com/otrs/public.pl?Action=PublicFAQZoom;CategoryID=21;ItemID=75</a><br>
        <br>
        But I think this is a different problem, than not being able to
        resolve the <font style="font-size: 10pt;" size="2"
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              moz-do-not-send="true" class="c_nobdr t_prs"
              href="http://www.fransiplus.com/" target="_blank">fransiplus.com</a>
            <font style="font-size: 12pt;" size="3">from your PC</font></span></font><br>
        <br>
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          <hr id="stopSpelling">From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mejaz@cyberia.net.sa">mejaz@cyberia.net.sa</a><br>
          To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sjcarr@gmail.com">sjcarr@gmail.com</a><br>
          Subject: RE: resolving-problem<br>
          Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 11:36:46 +0300<br>
          CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bind-users@lists.isc.org">bind-users@lists.isc.org</a><br>
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                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy;">Thank
                  you so much for your email and
                  support, </span></font></p>
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                face="Calibri"><span
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                face="Calibri"><span
                  style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:navy;">Pls,
                  See, the dig + trace output when
                  use ns1.nesma.net.sa,   at the end it say connection
                  timedout. so please can
                  you to find out the  problem is from where???</span></font></p>
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                face="Arial"><span
                  style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;">[root@ns1
                  ~]# dig +trace <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="http://www.fransiplus.com/" target="_blank">www.fransiplus.com</a>,
                  …</span></font></p>
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                  <<>> DiG
                  9.8.2rc1-RedHat-9.8.2-0.17.rc1.el6_4.4
                  <<>> +trace
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.fransiplus.com">www.fransiplus.com</a></span></font></p>
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                  connection timed out; no servers could
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                    style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;"> Steven
                    Carr
                    [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:sjcarr@gmail.com">mailto:sjcarr@gmail.com</a>] <br>
                    <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                    Sunday, July 21, 2013 3:09
                    PM<br>
                    <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b>
                    Ejaz<br>
                    <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b>
                    Bind users<br>
                    <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b>
                    Re: resolving-problem</span></font></p>
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                  Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;">So the logs
                    would seem to indicate that the server responded to
                    your
                    PC, the only way you can see exactly what happened
                    with that response is with
                    traffic captures on the name server and your PC. </span></font></p>
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                    On 21 Jul 2013, at 12:52, "Ejaz" <<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:mejaz@cyberia.net.sa">mejaz@cyberia.net.sa</a>>
                    wrote:</span></font></p>
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              <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;"> </span></font></p>
              <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">I can
                    resolve yahoo and here the snippet of logs, </span></font></p>
              <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                    style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;"> </span></font></p>
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                <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">21-Jul-2013
                      14:46:11.119 queries: info: client
                      212.119.65.13#2007: query:
                      yahoo.com.cyberia.net.sa IN A + (212.71.32.19)</span></font></p>
                <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">21-Jul-2013
                      14:46:11.122 queries: info: client
                      212.119.65.13#2008: query: <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://yahoo.com"
                        target="_blank">yahoo.com</a> IN A +
                      (212.71.32.19)</span></font></p>
                <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">But,
                      Where as </span></font></p>
                <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">I
                      can’t resolve fransiplus, here is the logs. </span></font></p>
                <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">21-Jul-2013
                      14:46:19.135 queries: info: client
                      212.119.65.13#2009: query:
                      fransiplus.com.cyberia.net.sa IN A +
                      (212.71.32.19)</span></font></p>
                <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">21-Jul-2013
                      14:46:19.138 queries: info: client
                      212.119.65.13#2010: query: <a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://fransiplus.com" target="_blank">fransiplus.com</a>
                      IN A + (212.71.32.19) </span></font></p>
                <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">I
                      didin’t see any difference. </span></font></p>
                <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;"> </span></font></p>
                <p class="ecxMsoNormal"><font size="2" face="Calibri"><span
                      style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">Ejaz</span></font></p>
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