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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">First of all, I appreciate the fact that you are seeking feedback before acting, thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I agree with Warren's point about logs and, unfortunately, also with his analysis concerning distributions. A couple of additional comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The major Linux distributions are moving to systemd (whether we like it or not), whatever is done has to take that into account.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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The only thing you have (the most) control over is the software you produce, another approach would be to add a generic message facility to all your utilities that, for example, displays the contents of a file at startup (if it exists). Daemon startup could
check the configuration files and generate the content of the displayed file ("You're using 'blah' option which is depreciated, see http://..."). This way, if an administrator uses any of your utilities, they see the message. For "extra credit", add a "don't
display this message again" option. If an administrator manages to support your software without using any of your utilities then they are capable of remediating their own problems.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> bind-users <bind-users-bounces@lists.isc.org> on behalf of Ondřej
Surý <ondrej@isc.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 13, 2019 8:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Warren Kumari<br>
<b>Cc:</b> bind-users@lists.isc.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: A policy for removing named.conf options.</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Hi Warren and everybody,<br>
<br>
first, let me thank for the fruitful discussion!<br>
<br>
> On 13 Jun 2019, at 15:18, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Many many people don't look at their logs -- could named also print<br>
> stuff to (stdout, stderr) when starting?<br>
> <br>
> Note that this will require some testing -- various distributions use<br>
> various init scripts - in many cases things printed at startup don't<br>
> actually make it to the console, and I'm suspecting some init systems<br>
> will barf, but…<br>
<br>
It’s undermentioned in the policy proposal, but the named-checkconf<br>
will be loud about the deprecated options. We can then bug distros to<br>
integrate the named-checkconf run into the pre/postinst maintainer scripts.<br>
(Hey myself, fix the Debian package. Ok, myself…)<br>
<br>
> Another phased approach would be to require users to acknowledge that<br>
> the feature is being deprecated -- initially it could warn, and then<br>
> named could require command line flags to enable the (being)<br>
> deprecated features, and then in the next release they would stop (e.g<br>
> named --enable_deprecated_cleaning-interval). I think that this is way<br>
> overkill, but just a thought.<br>
<br>
That would take 4 full years to deprecate single option, as we need to take<br>
people that upgrade from ESV to ESV into account, and we were aiming<br>
at slightly “faster” approach :-).<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
--<br>
Ondřej Surý<br>
ondrej@isc.org<br>
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