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Really is not as u say</div>
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first of all you have to take in mind DMZ and other complex config</div>
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As last (as I used it) , I used Linux DIST for Authorative and internet facing resolver with TLD and as resolver</div>
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and two internal windows with BIND on Windows Server and WINS</div>
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If you use Active Directory , is used to know is in use MS DNS (so trash).</div>
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If you don't use Active Directory or you are inside a DMZ and a complex enviroment, can be allowed to havi WINS too a Windows Server with BIND AND NOT ACTIVE DIRECTORY (an ldap redesigned).</div>
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Best Regards</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> bind-users <bind-users-bounces@lists.isc.org> on behalf of Eric Germann via bind-users <bind-users@lists.isc.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 4, 2021 11:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Greg Sloop <gregs@sloop.net><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: No more support for windows</font>
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<div class="" style="word-wrap:break-word; line-break:after-white-space">Call me naive, but I’m trying to figure out what the corner case is to use BIND on Windows.
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<div class="">For an internal network Windows Server already has a name server that integrates with AD and everything else needed to run a Windows network. Support for DDNS is a lot easier, it has tons of SRV records needed for service location, etc. It seems
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<div class="">On Jun 4, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Gregory Sloop <<a href="mailto:gregs@sloop.net" class="">gregs@sloop.net</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class=""><span class="" style="font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:"Courier New"; font-size:9pt">This
feels a lot like responding to trolls, but I'll instead assume that you're asking (or making a point) in good faith.<br class="">
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So, we'll stipulate that - you're actually interested in truth and knowledge.<br class="">
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So, it's easily compiled on Mac, Unix, FreeBSD, Linux, SunOS, RaspPi, etc.<br class="">
And it compiles on a huge range of hardware, CPU's etc.<br class="">
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I'd consider that highly portable.<br class="">
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You're welcome to disagree, but then someone else will complain it's not available in Amiga, Atari and under Dos and complain it isn't "portable" because there's no dos version.<br class="">
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So how many platforms do you have to support, to call it portable?<br class="">
(I've always thought of "portable" code, in this context especially, as code that is kept open so it will fairly easily compile on any *nix/posix platform without too much drama. And I think that's a pretty universal understanding for *nix style code.)<br class="">
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So, it seems you are tilting at windmills, complaining about Windows only.<br class="">
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Yes, the fundamentals of Windows are *VERY* different than any Linux/Unix/Solaris etc based platform. As such, making it work across all those platforms is really quite a lot of work.<br class="">
(Making it work fine, even on the future supported platforms (*nix) isn't trivial - obviously adding Windows to the mix is far, far more!)<br class="">
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And, it seems like no-one has stepped up to commit the $$$ needed to keep that support going.<br class="">
Even a cheap dev probably charges $100+ an hour. How many hours/dollars do you think, in aggregate, is committed to keeping Windows support? It's not going to be like buying a $3 app for your phone - since the market for Windows users is far smaller.<br class="">
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And, I suspect, if we reach the end of the road for Windows support, and there's a half million users out there that want BIND supported on Windows, and they'll all pledge a buck a year, than I'd expect that Windows support will roll right out.<br class="">
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But if instead there's 100 people willing to pledge even $100 a year, well I'd guess that's not likely to pay for it.<br class="">
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ISC manages to pay the people who write code and do support through support contracts. Do you have one of those?<br class="">
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So the last option is;<br class="">
You, or someone else to simply give away their time for free.<br class="">
You up for that?<br class="">
If you're not, or you don't have that skill set, then complaining bitterly seems a little hypocritical.<br class="">
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ISC already releases a huge set of software that you almost certainly use every single day (DHCP server and clients, along with BIND) and they aren't charging you a dime for that use. They're not charging your ISP either, or a ton of other people. So, IMO,
they've really done a ton of free work for the community already.<br class="">
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But it seems like you think it's not enough.<br class="">
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Sigh.<br class="">
What. Can. I. Say.<br class="">
ISC does a lot of really good work.<br class="">
IMO, this kind of a complaint is really misplaced.<br class="">
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And to be clear, I won't engage in a bunch of back-and-forth arguing this position. You're welcome to agree or not.<br class="">
But *I* think you're obviously wrong, and I want everyone at ISC who does all that good work, developing great software that they let us use for free that I really appreciate their work.<br class="">
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<span class="" style="color:rgb(128,0,0)"><b class="">PC> What I find ironic is that here:<br class="">
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</b></span></span><a href="https://gitlab.isc.org/isc-projects/bind9/-/blob/main/README.md" class="" style="font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; orphans:auto; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; widows:auto; word-spacing:0px; font-family:"courier new"; font-size:9pt">PC>
https://gitlab.isc.org/isc-projects/bind9/-/blob/main/README.md</a><br class="" style="font-family:Helvetica; font-size:15px; font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none">
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the very first line says:<br class="">
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PC> "BIND (Berkeley Internet Name Domain) is a complete, highly portable<br class="">
PC> implementation of the Domain Name System (DNS) protocol."<br class="">
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PC> If this were truly the case, BIND would work on Windows (or any other<br class="">
PC> platform that doesn't have a "u" in it's name) with minimal effort<br class="">
PC> and would not require specific funding to adapt it to any particular<br class="">
PC> platform.<br class="">
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PC> Can we please have a realistic definition of what BIND is and what<br class="">
PC> it's objectives are?<br class="">
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PC> I for one would be more likely to contribute to the development of<br class="">
PC> a non-platform-specific, portable BIND than a single-platform-specific<br class="">
PC> one.<br class="">
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PC> On the other hand, if it has already been decided that BIND can only<br class="">
PC> realistically be implemented in the *u* arena and will rely on<br class="">
PC> facilities only available in this arena, then shouldn't this be stated<br class="">
PC> clearly instead of also declaring that it is highly portable?<br class="">
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PC> Regards,<br class="">
PC> Peter Coghlan.<br class="">
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>> Do you understand how ironic is for you to complain about “subscription is<br class="">
>> not going to happen” while **every** email on the mailing list has this<br class="">
>> note in the footer:<br class="">
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>> ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions.<br class="">
>> Contact us at<span class="x_Apple-converted-space"> </span></b></span><a href="https://www.isc.org/contact/" class="" style="font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; orphans:auto; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; widows:auto; word-spacing:0px; font-family:"courier new"; font-size:9pt">https://www.isc.org/contact/</a><span class="" style="font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; orphans:auto; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; widows:auto; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:"courier new"; font-size:9pt; color:rgb(128,0,0)"><b class=""> for
more information.<br class="">
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>> --<br class="">
>> Ondřej Surý — ISC (He/Him)<br class="">
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>> My working hours and your working hours may be different. Please do not feel obligated to reply outside your normal working hours.<br class="">
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>>> On 4. 6. 2021, at 19:47, Peter via bind-users <</b></span><a href="mailto:bind-users@lists.isc.org" class="" style="font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; orphans:auto; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; widows:auto; word-spacing:0px; font-family:"courier new"; font-size:9pt">bind-users@lists.isc.org</a><span class="" style="font-style:normal; font-variant-caps:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; orphans:auto; text-align:start; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; widows:auto; word-spacing:0px; text-decoration:none; font-family:"courier new"; font-size:9pt; color:rgb(128,0,0)"><b class="">>
wrote:<br class="">
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>>> On 04/06/2021 6:05 pm, John Thurston wrote:<br class="">
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>>>>> On 6/4/2021 8:48 AM, Peter via bind-users wrote:<br class="">
>>>>> When people find out2024 is the year bind is no longer supported for<br class="">
>>>>> windows people aregoing to be upset this all seems to be done quietly<br class="">
>>>>> nothing posted on the the <a href="http://isc.org" class="">isc.org</a> site about this just how many people<br class="">
>>>>> depend on bind for windows will be shocking.<br class="">
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>>>> And griping about the decision on the mailing list is annoying.<br class="">
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>>>> If you want to alter the decision, bring something new to the discussion. Funding to pay for the windows development team? Logistical support for the project?<br class="">
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>>>> Anything constructive will be better received than repeating "I don't like your decision".<br class="">
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>>> Yes John Thurston I said about a subscription here which I guess will not happen if they made up thier mind its likly no going to happen. <br class="">
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>>> Deprecating BIND 9.18+ on Windows (or making it community improved and supported (<a href="http://isc.org" class="">isc.org</a>)<br class="">
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