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<div>REALLY, it is</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> bind-users <bind-users-bounces@lists.isc.org> on behalf of Ondřej Surý <ondrej@isc.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 4, 2021 11:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Eric Germann <ekgermann@semperen.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> bind-users@lists.isc.org <bind-users@lists.isc.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: No more support for windows</font>
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<div class="PlainText">What I’ve heard is that the geoip/maxmindb is the deal breaker,<br>
but on general level, I concur that MS-DNS is a good choice for<br>
Windows Server deployments.<br>
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I am a big fan of picking the right tool for the job.<br>
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Ondrej<br>
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Ondřej Surý (He/Him)<br>
ondrej@isc.org<br>
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> On 4. 6. 2021, at 23:31, Eric Germann via bind-users <bind-users@lists.isc.org> wrote:<br>
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> Call me naive, but I’m trying to figure out what the corner case is to use BIND on Windows.<br>
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> For an internal network Windows Server already has a name server that integrates with AD and everything else needed to run a Windows network. Support for DDNS is a lot easier, it has tons of SRV records needed for service location, etc. It seems it would
be a lot easier to use that for a Windows network than shoehorn everything in to BIND.<br>
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>> On Jun 4, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Gregory Sloop <gregs@sloop.net> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> This feels a lot like responding to trolls, but I'll instead assume that you're asking (or making a point) in good faith.<br>
>> <br>
>> So, we'll stipulate that - you're actually interested in truth and knowledge.<br>
>> <br>
>> So, it's easily compiled on Mac, Unix, FreeBSD, Linux, SunOS, RaspPi, etc.<br>
>> And it compiles on a huge range of hardware, CPU's etc.<br>
>> <br>
>> I'd consider that highly portable.<br>
>> <br>
>> You're welcome to disagree, but then someone else will complain it's not available in Amiga, Atari and under Dos and complain it isn't "portable" because there's no dos version.<br>
>> <br>
>> So how many platforms do you have to support, to call it portable?<br>
>> (I've always thought of "portable" code, in this context especially, as code that is kept open so it will fairly easily compile on any *nix/posix platform without too much drama. And I think that's a pretty universal understanding for *nix style code.)<br>
>> <br>
>> So, it seems you are tilting at windmills, complaining about Windows only.<br>
>> <br>
>> Yes, the fundamentals of Windows are *VERY* different than any Linux/Unix/Solaris etc based platform. As such, making it work across all those platforms is really quite a lot of work.<br>
>> (Making it work fine, even on the future supported platforms (*nix) isn't trivial - obviously adding Windows to the mix is far, far more!)<br>
>> <br>
>> And, it seems like no-one has stepped up to commit the $$$ needed to keep that support going.<br>
>> Even a cheap dev probably charges $100+ an hour. How many hours/dollars do you think, in aggregate, is committed to keeping Windows support? It's not going to be like buying a $3 app for your phone - since the market for Windows users is far smaller.<br>
>> <br>
>> And, I suspect, if we reach the end of the road for Windows support, and there's a half million users out there that want BIND supported on Windows, and they'll all pledge a buck a year, than I'd expect that Windows support will roll right out.<br>
>> <br>
>> But if instead there's 100 people willing to pledge even $100 a year, well I'd guess that's not likely to pay for it.<br>
>> <br>
>> ISC manages to pay the people who write code and do support through support contracts. Do you have one of those?<br>
>> <br>
>> So the last option is;<br>
>> You, or someone else to simply give away their time for free.<br>
>> You up for that?<br>
>> If you're not, or you don't have that skill set, then complaining bitterly seems a little hypocritical.<br>
>> <br>
>> ISC already releases a huge set of software that you almost certainly use every single day (DHCP server and clients, along with BIND) and they aren't charging you a dime for that use. They're not charging your ISP either, or a ton of other people. So, IMO,
they've really done a ton of free work for the community already.<br>
>> <br>
>> But it seems like you think it's not enough.<br>
>> <br>
>> Sigh.<br>
>> What. Can. I. Say.<br>
>> ISC does a lot of really good work.<br>
>> IMO, this kind of a complaint is really misplaced.<br>
>> <br>
>> And to be clear, I won't engage in a bunch of back-and-forth arguing this position. You're welcome to agree or not.<br>
>> But *I* think you're obviously wrong, and I want everyone at ISC who does all that good work, developing great software that they let us use for free that I really appreciate their work.<br>
>> <br>
>> -Greg<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> PC> What I find ironic is that here:<br>
>> <br>
>> PC> <a href="https://gitlab.isc.org/isc-projects/bind9/-/blob/main/README.md">
https://gitlab.isc.org/isc-projects/bind9/-/blob/main/README.md</a><br>
>> <br>
>> PC> the very first line says:<br>
>> <br>
>> PC> "BIND (Berkeley Internet Name Domain) is a complete, highly portable<br>
>> PC> implementation of the Domain Name System (DNS) protocol."<br>
>> <br>
>> PC> If this were truly the case, BIND would work on Windows (or any other<br>
>> PC> platform that doesn't have a "u" in it's name) with minimal effort<br>
>> PC> and would not require specific funding to adapt it to any particular<br>
>> PC> platform.<br>
>> <br>
>> PC> Can we please have a realistic definition of what BIND is and what<br>
>> PC> it's objectives are?<br>
>> <br>
>> PC> I for one would be more likely to contribute to the development of<br>
>> PC> a non-platform-specific, portable BIND than a single-platform-specific<br>
>> PC> one.<br>
>> <br>
>> PC> On the other hand, if it has already been decided that BIND can only<br>
>> PC> realistically be implemented in the *u* arena and will rely on<br>
>> PC> facilities only available in this arena, then shouldn't this be stated<br>
>> PC> clearly instead of also declaring that it is highly portable?<br>
>> <br>
>> PC> Regards,<br>
>> PC> Peter Coghlan.<br>
>> <br>
>> <br>
>> >> Do you understand how ironic is for you to complain about “subscription is<br>
>> >> not going to happen” while **every** email on the mailing list has this<br>
>> >> note in the footer:<br>
>> <br>
>> >> ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions.<br>
>> >> Contact us at <a href="https://www.isc.org/contact/">https://www.isc.org/contact/</a> for more information.<br>
>> <br>
>> >> --<br>
>> >> Ondřej Surý — ISC (He/Him)<br>
>> <br>
>> >> My working hours and your working hours may be different. Please do not feel obligated to reply outside your normal working hours.<br>
>> <br>
>> >>> On 4. 6. 2021, at 19:47, Peter via bind-users <bind-users@lists.isc.org> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> >>> <br>
>> >>> On 04/06/2021 6:05 pm, John Thurston wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>> >>>>> On 6/4/2021 8:48 AM, Peter via bind-users wrote:<br>
>> >>>>> When people find out2024 is the year bind is no longer supported for<br>
>> >>>>> windows people aregoing to be upset this all seems to be done quietly<br>
>> >>>>> nothing posted on the the isc.org site about this just how many people<br>
>> >>>>> depend on bind for windows will be shocking.<br>
>> <br>
>> >>>> And griping about the decision on the mailing list is annoying.<br>
>> <br>
>> >>>> If you want to alter the decision, bring something new to the discussion. Funding to pay for the windows development team? Logistical support for the project?<br>
>> <br>
>> >>>> Anything constructive will be better received than repeating "I don't like your decision".<br>
>> <br>
>> >>> Yes John Thurston I said about a subscription here which I guess will not happen if they made up thier mind its likly no going to happen.
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>> >>> Deprecating BIND 9.18+ on Windows (or making it community improved and supported (isc.org)<br>
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