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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> bind-users <bind-users-bounces@lists.isc.org> on behalf of Petr Menšík <pemensik@redhat.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 1, 2021 8:43:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ondřej Surý <ondrej@isc.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> bind-users@lists.isc.org <bind-users@lists.isc.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: A good name for development branch releases package</font>
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<div class="PlainText">On 12/1/21 14:00, Ondřej Surý wrote:<br>
> What if you call it bind9-git or bind9-snapshot? The monthly releases are<br>
> development snapshots anyway...<br>
<br>
That would look like our custom tarballs made from main branch commits.<br>
I don't want to do arbitrary releases directly from git. Release notes<br>
prepared by ISC are very nice and I certainly want to have them included<br>
in the package updates. I think bind9-unstable is far better name, even<br>
it is not used directly on any ISC page. But at least is the opposite of<br>
stable releases mentioned explicitly. Relation to snapshot might be<br>
obvious to you as a developer, but I would not connect it with correct<br>
release myself. bind9-git sounds more like git-based zone databases, I<br>
don't think it makes it better or more obvious.<br>
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I like candidates:<br>
<br>
- bind9-unstable<br>
- bind9-dev<br>
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Any preference for any of them?<br>
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><br>
> Ondrej<br>
> --<br>
> Ondřej Surý (He/Him)<br>
> ondrej@isc.org<br>
><br>
>> On 1. 12. 2021, at 13:07, Petr Menšík <pemensik@redhat.com> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Mainline seems strange term to me. I think it should be used also by ISC<br>
>> to identify that major version. When I download an archive, it uses<br>
>> Development status. Is mainline word ever used in any documentation for<br>
>> BIND9? I have never seen that in any article. I would like to use<br>
>> something users can recognize, not to learn by trying.<br>
>><br>
>> I know Debian uses -dev suffix for header files, just like we use -devel<br>
>> on Fedora. bind-devel package already exists, it cannot be the new<br>
>> package name. Development word is a bit overused. bind9-dev might<br>
>> confuse user from Debian world, but is short enough and would use ISC<br>
>> terminology.<br>
>><br>
>> When reading [1], I think bind9-odd might be also name of the package.<br>
>> But that name seems even more confusing. It would kind of discourage its<br>
>> use.<br>
>><br>
>> 1. <a href="https://kb.isc.org/docs/aa-01540">https://kb.isc.org/docs/aa-01540</a><br>
>><br>
>> On 11/30/21 19:19, Ondřej Surý wrote:<br>
>>> I quite like the nginx naming - stable and mainline.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Ondřej<br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Ondřej Surý — ISC (He/Him)<br>
>>><br>
>>> My working hours and your working hours may be different. Please do not feel obligated to reply outside your normal working hours.<br>
>>><br>
>>>> On 30. 11. 2021, at 16:10, Petr Menšík <pemensik@redhat.com> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Hello BIND users,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I would like to add a new package of recent BIND9 development release to<br>
>>>> Fedora [1] distribution. Current "bind" package contains build of stable<br>
>>>> branch 9.16.x release. I think it would be good to keep stable releases<br>
>>>> available in Fedora. We still use just bind without 9 suffix.<br>
>>>> Theoretically another "bind9" could contain more recent releases. But I<br>
>>>> would like to reserve it for current bind package.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> One alternative would be using major version in package name. But I<br>
>>>> think one the latest stable release one the latest development releases<br>
>>>> would be always enough. bind package should be updated when 9.18.0 is<br>
>>>> released. I think development package should follow and upgrade to<br>
>>>> 9.19.0 as soon as possible. I would prefer single development package<br>
>>>> rolling with major development releases.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> COPR repository of ISC uses "bind9-dev" name. Would you recommend that<br>
>>>> name? I kind of like it. Slight disadvantage of this name is similarity<br>
>>>> with development headers subpackage, which uses common suffix "-devel"<br>
>>>> on Fedora. Development headers are still needed by bind-dyndb-ldap<br>
>>>> plugin. It uses bind-devel package now, similar alternative of<br>
>>>> development release would be "bind9-dev-devel". It does look like strange.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Would you help me with a better proposal? What do you think about it? I<br>
>>>> don't expect development releases to ever reach Red Hat Enterprise Linux<br>
>>>> directly, but it might be build as Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux<br>
>>>> with community support.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I don't want to support installation of both stable and development<br>
>>>> packages on single system. It would conflict and only one would have to<br>
>>>> be choosen.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Is there any distribution offering already two releases at the same<br>
>>>> time? Would you have some idea, how should it be called? Do you like<br>
>>>> "bind9-dev" base name?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Regards,<br>
>>>> Petr<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 1. <a href="https://getfedora.org">https://getfedora.org</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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Petr Menšík<br>
Software Engineer<br>
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email: pemensik@redhat.com<br>
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