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<p>No. forward only; means only it won't try to iterate from root in
case forwarder does not respond or responds with Server Failure.
It would try to get answer its own way iterating from root hints
if forward first; were used. Or forward clause were not present.
It will not make bind to blindly trust to forwarder just like
dnsmasq does.</p>
<p>I think usually cloud provides have common zone, in which all
their hosts are. Something like akamaiedge.net. I think your cloud
service provider should be able to recommend a working way. I just
guess you would need to direct a list of their domains, which they
use to host their services. In your case I would say n.shifen.com.
would be such candidate. Just do not include x in the zone name:</p>
<div style=""><span style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; "># this
should work for this example<br>
</span></div>
<div style=""><span style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; "> zone
"bd.bcebos.com."</span></div>
<div style=""><span style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; "> in { type
forward ; forward only; forwarders { 10.10.10.10; }; };</span></div>
<div style="">
<div style=""><span style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; "> zone "</span><span
style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ">shifen.com."</span></div>
<div style=""><span style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; "> in { type
forward ; forward only; forwarders { 10.10.10.10; }; };</span></div>
<div style=""><span style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; "><br>
</span></div>
<div style=""><span style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ">Whatever
target names your provider uses for CNAME targets would need
similar zone definiton. If they are not able to provide
similar list, I would look for more prepared company.<br>
</span></div>
<span style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; "></span></div>
<p></p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04. 04. 23 17:39, ltns wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:tencent_D651E3FD419DC3F28D978652A170B3E79D07@qq.com">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<div>thanks for reply;</div>
<div>bd.bcebos.com. is provide by our Cloud service provider, it
both have Internal IP results and extra IP results;</div>
<div>when not forward to 10.10.10.10,just recursive from Public
network,it will get extra ip result just like you have try;</div>
<div>when in our inter network environment,we need forward it to
10.10.10.10, it's our Cloud service provider interdns, it will
reply <font face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI,
Roboto, Noto Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue,
sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI
Symbol, Noto Color Emoji">CNAME bd.bcebos.com., </font>bd.bcebos.com.
<font face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto,
Noto Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif,
Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color
Emoji">A 100.67.96.26, A </font>100.67.96.27 records to me,
and I need access the interIp service through our inter network;</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I also try dnsmasq and unbound before,just like you have
say,dnsmasq get "<font face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont,
Segoe UI, Roboto, Noto Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica
Neue, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI
Symbol, Noto Color Emoji">CNAME bd.bcebos.com., </font>bd.bcebos.com.
<font face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto,
Noto Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif,
Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color
Emoji">A 100.67.96.26, A </font>100.67.96.27" records,it will
use A record</div>
</blockquote>
dnsmasq does not have ability to iterate. It blindly trust recursive
servers it uses. Such behaviour is unwanted from more serious
implementation.<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:tencent_D651E3FD419DC3F28D978652A170B3E79D07@qq.com">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>unbound 's action is the same as bind named, when it get "<font
face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto,
Noto Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif,
Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color
Emoji">CNAME bd.bcebos.com., </font>bd.bcebos.com. <font
face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto,
Noto Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif,
Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color
Emoji">A 100.67.96.26, A </font>100.67.96.27", it do not use
A record, just try to query <span style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ;
; ; ">bd.bcebos.com again</span></div>
</blockquote>
Sure, unbound is decent resolver and would not trust foreign zones
in answers without fetching it himself. All more complex
implementations should behave the same.<br>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:tencent_D651E3FD419DC3F28D978652A170B3E79D07@qq.com">
<div><span style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; "><br>
</span></div>
<div><font face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI,
Roboto, Noto Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue,
sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI
Symbol, Noto Color Emoji">what Trouble me is the definition of
"forward only",i read some Related documents,i think when use
forward only, bind will just get results from forwarders, no
matter what bind get CNAME and A record, or just A record , i
think it will use A; </font></div>
<div><font face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI,
Roboto, Noto Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue,
sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI
Symbol, Noto Color Emoji">from now on,bind have different
behaviour; when config "</font><span style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ;
; ; ; ; ">forward only</span><span style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ;
; ; ; ">", it also will query cname again ;</span><font
face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto,
Noto Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif,
Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color
Emoji">It's different from what I thought before</font></div>
</blockquote>
<font face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto,
Noto Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif, Apple
Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color Emoji">No,
explained above. It changes behavior only in case the reply from
forwarder were SERVFAIL. It will always chase cnames to servers
authoritative for the target name.</font><br>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:tencent_D651E3FD419DC3F28D978652A170B3E79D07@qq.com">
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<div><br>
</div>
<div style="font-size: 12px;font-family: Arial
Narrow;padding:2px 0 2px 0;">------------------ 原始邮件
------------------</div>
<div style="font-size: 12px;background:#efefef;padding:8px;">
<div><b>发件人:</b> "Petr Menšík" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:pemensik@redhat.com"><pemensik@redhat.com></a>;</div>
<div><b>发送时间:</b> 2023年4月4日(星期二) 晚上8:33</div>
<div><b>收件人:</b> "ltns"<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wwwwwwwwww7572@qq.com"><wwwwwwwwww7572@qq.com></a>;"bind-users"<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bind-users@lists.isc.org"><bind-users@lists.isc.org></a>;<wbr></div>
<div><b>主题:</b> Re: BIND | Cname chain resolution using
forward ( CNAME&A returned but no use A) (#3995)</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<p>This is public response for the name from my connection:</p>
<p>$ dig x.bd.bcebos.com. <br>
<br>
; <<>> DiG 9.18.13 <<>>
x.bd.bcebos.com.<br>
;; global options: +cmd<br>
;; Got answer:<br>
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR,
id: 11566<br>
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 3, AUTHORITY: 0,
ADDITIONAL: 1<br>
<br>
;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:<br>
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 4096<br>
;; QUESTION SECTION:<br>
;x.bd.bcebos.com. IN A<br>
<br>
;; ANSWER SECTION:<br>
x.bd.bcebos.com. 360 IN CNAME bd.bcebos.com.<br>
bd.bcebos.com. 360 IN CNAME
bos.bd.baidubce.n.shifen.com.<br>
bos.bd.baidubce.n.shifen.com. 60 IN A 110.242.70.8<br>
</p>
<p>Now if you override just the <span style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ;
; ">zone "x.bd.bcebos.com.", it asks in the forwarder. But
because the forwarder answers with name leading outside of
its own zone, named will create separate query to </span>bd.bcebos.com.
Unless that has own forward zone definition for it, it uses
global forwarders or iteration from root hints.<br>
</p>
<p>$ dig ns bd.bcebos.com.<br>
<br>
; <<>> DiG 9.18.13 <<>> ns
bd.bcebos.com.<br>
;; global options: +cmd<br>
;; Got answer:<br>
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR,
id: 54957<br>
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 1,
ADDITIONAL: 1<br>
<br>
;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:<br>
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1220<br>
; COOKIE: cae27b6bb14ffd9815d2855f642c0f8300482e9548e4bf0a
(good)<br>
;; QUESTION SECTION:<br>
;bd.bcebos.com. IN NS<br>
<br>
;; ANSWER SECTION:<br>
bd.bcebos.com. 57 IN CNAME
bos.bd.baidubce.n.shifen.com.<br>
<br>
;; AUTHORITY SECTION:<br>
n.shifen.com. 206 IN SOA ns1.n.shifen.com.
baidu_dns_master.baidu.com. 2304040275 5 5 2592000 3600<br>
</p>
<p>This is some black magic, because SOA is not inside names we
asked.</p>
<p>$ dig +norec @ns1.n.shifen.com. bd.bcebos.com.<br>
<br>
; <<>> DiG 9.18.13 <<>> +norec
@ns1.n.shifen.com. bd.bcebos.com.<br>
; (1 server found)<br>
;; global options: +cmd<br>
;; Got answer:<br>
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED,
id: 6168<br>
;; flags: qr; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1<br>
<br>
;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:<br>
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1232<br>
; COOKIE: ce297c8717115be001000000642c1022251028e6f44a59cc
(good)<br>
;; QUESTION SECTION:<br>
;bd.bcebos.com. IN A<br>
<br>
;; Query time: 201 msec<br>
;; SERVER: 110.242.68.39#53(ns1.n.shifen.com.) (UDP)<br>
;; WHEN: Tue Apr 04 13:55:14 CEST 2023<br>
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 70<br>
</p>
<p>It does not allow me to even ask. So those chains are quite
strange. In any case, bind will *NOT* blindly accept any names
from forwarders for foreign zones. Its CNAME target leads
outside its defined zone, it will always fetch it using
separate zone fetches. So it will try asking bd.bcebos.com.
and bos.bd.baidubce.n.shifen.com. nameservers and only their
response is offered to end user. If there is a way to make
bind trust those responses, I don't know about it. I think it
is considered bad practice.</p>
<p>If the forwarder offers custom view, it should not override
it using CNAMEs. It should just set it different addresses
directly. This looks like not small private view to public
records. I do not think it can work like you are trying to do.
Either you will have zone not pointing to other zones, or you
have to forward them all. BIND won't take into account in
response to what name this response arrived. It won't let
server of unrelated zones to insert cache records for other
names. It does it to protect you from spoofing. dnsmasq will
let you do that, because it does not have proper iteration
capabilities. Use that if you need such split view. I doubt
unbound, powerdns or any good recursive DNS will allow what
you are trying to do. BIND9 included.<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04. 04. 23 12:58, ltns wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:tencent_22EA854B3DDB8CEEEEBBE8C89493BC48950A@qq.com">
<div><span style="font-size: medium;">i am very very sorry ,</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: medium;"><b>the zone info of
first mail -> </b></span><span style="font-size:
inherit;"><b>zone "bd.baidubce.com."</b> i write wrong;</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size: inherit;">the wright is </span><b> zone
"x.bd.bcebos.com."</b></div>
<div style="position: relative;">
<div><span style=" font-size: inherit; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ;
; ; ">please just see this mail, </span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div style=""><font face="-apple-system,
BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Noto Sans,
Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif, Apple
Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto
Color Emoji"> when i use bind-9.11 for my interdns
deviceip is 10.1.1.1, </font><span style=" ; ; ; ; ;
; ; ; ; ">i config</span></div>
<div style=""><span style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; "> zone
"x.bd.bcebos.com."</span></div>
<div style=""><span style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; "> in { type
forward ; forward only; forwarders { 10.10.10.10; };
};</span></div>
<div style=""><br>
</div>
<div style=""><font face="-apple-system,
BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Noto Sans,
Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif, Apple
Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto
Color Emoji"> 1,when i dig @10.1.1.1 x.bd.bcebos.com.</font></div>
<div style=""><font face="-apple-system,
BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Noto Sans,
Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif, Apple
Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto
Color Emoji"> 2,10.10.10.10 return record "CNAME
bd.bcebos.com., </font><span style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ;
; ; ; ">bd.bcebos.com. </span><font
face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI,
Roboto, Noto Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue,
sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe
UI Symbol, Noto Color Emoji">A 100.67.96.26, A </font>100.67.96.27"
to device10.1.1.1</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<font face="-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto,
Noto Sans, Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif,
Apple Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color
Emoji">dig @10.1.1.1 </font><font face="-apple-system,
BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Noto Sans, Ubuntu,
Cantarell, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif, Apple Color Emoji,
Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto Color Emoji">bd.bcebos.com.
gives what response? That one you should receive.</font> <span
style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ">zone "x.bd.bcebos.com." role
ended when cname target is not under </span><span style=" ; ;
; ; ; ; ; ; ; ">x.bd.bcebos.com.</span><span style=" ; ; ; ; ;
; ; ; ; "></span>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:tencent_22EA854B3DDB8CEEEEBBE8C89493BC48950A@qq.com">
<div style="position: relative;">
<div>
<div style=""><span style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; "> 3,but
device10.1.1.1 not return A 100.67.96.26, A
100.67.96.27 to me</span></div>
<div style=""><span style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; "> 4,device10.1.1.1
go to qurey bd.bcebos.com. recursive itself, and get </span><span
style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ">another record
110.242.70.8</span></div>
<div style=""><font face="-apple-system,
BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Noto Sans,
Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif, Apple
Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto
Color Emoji"><br>
</font></div>
<div style=""><font face="-apple-system,
BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Noto Sans,
Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif, Apple
Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto
Color Emoji"> i have questions</font></div>
<div style=""><font face="-apple-system,
BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Noto Sans,
Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif, Apple
Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto
Color Emoji">1,why config is forward only, bind get
CNAME & A records from forwarders, but bind do not
</font><span style=" ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ">return A
record to me?and query cname domain recursive again
itself?</span></div>
<div style=""><font face="-apple-system,
BlinkMacSystemFont, Segoe UI, Roboto, Noto Sans,
Ubuntu, Cantarell, Helvetica Neue, sans-serif, Apple
Color Emoji, Segoe UI Emoji, Segoe UI Symbol, Noto
Color Emoji"> thanks</font></div>
</div>
<div><span style=" font-size: inherit; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ;
; ; "><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style=" font-size: inherit; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ;
; ; "><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style=" font-size: inherit; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ;
; ; "><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style=" font-size: inherit; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ;
; ; "><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style=" font-size: inherit; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ;
; ; "><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style=" font-size: inherit; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ;
; ; "><br>
</span></div>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2023 12:05:04 +0200<br>
From: Petr Men??k <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:pemensik@redhat.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><pemensik@redhat.com></a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated
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href="mailto:bind-users@lists.isc.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">bind-users@lists.isc.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: BIND | Cname chain resolution using forward (
CNAME&A<br>
returned but no use A) (#3995)<br>
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That is because forwarder is supposed to handle only zone
<br>
"bd.baidubce.com.", but addresses response is from
bd.bcebos.com zone. <br>
Therefore it queries contents of that according to global
forwarders or <br>
iteratively. BIND9 attempts to deliver the most
authoritative answer it <br>
can, so it ignores hints from server not authoritative for
it. I do not <br>
know a way to disable such behavior. Dns caches such as
dnsmasq would <br>
forward the reply as it is, but bind uses zones with
authoritative <br>
servers preferred. It does so to prevent unrelated servers
pushing <br>
invalid answers into your cache.<br>
<br>
Workaround might be to forward also bd.bcebos.com. zone to
the same <br>
server. Can you share why should it return different
addresses than the <br>
authoritative servers offers?<br>
<br>
I think if you need to override some addresses, RPZ might
help you. At <br>
least you would have a list of rules where the answer is
modified. I <br>
think most proper servers do it this way without ability
to change the <br>
behavior.<br>
<br>
Just my 2 cents.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Petr<br>
<br>
On 04. 04. 23 8:08, Yang via bind-users wrote:<br>
><br>
> hi?bind admin,<br>
><br>
> ?when i use bind-9.11 for my interdns? deviceip is
10.1.1.1,<br>
><br>
> i config<br>
><br>
> zone "bd.baidubce.com."<br>
><br>
> ?in?{ type forward ; forward only; forwarders {
10.10.10.10; }; };<br>
><br>
><br>
> 1?when i dig @10.1.1.1 x.bd.bcebos.com.<br>
><br>
> 2?10.10.10.10 return record "CNAME bd.bcebos.com., A
100.67.96.26, A <br>
> 100.67.96.27" to device10.1.1.1<br>
><br>
> 3?but device10.1.1.1 not return A 100.67.96.26, A
100.67.96.27 to me<br>
><br>
> 4?device10.1.1.1 go to qurey bd.bcebos.com. recursive
itself?and get <br>
> another record 110.242.70.8<br>
><br>
> i have questions<br>
><br>
> 1?why config is forward only? but bind get CNAME
& A?bind do not <br>
> return A to me?and query cname again itself?<br>
><br>
> ?thanks<br>
><br>
><br>
-- <br>
Petr Men??k<br>
Software Engineer, RHEL<br>
Red Hat,<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
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Petr Menšík
Software Engineer, RHEL
Red Hat, <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.redhat.com/">http://www.redhat.com/</a>
PGP: DFCF908DB7C87E8E529925BC4931CA5B6C9FC5CB</pre>
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