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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Al,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I will see about figuring that out. <br>
Meanwhile I am able to tail the log when trying to query for that NS record. <br>
This is the only named error.item I see at default settings while attempting the query.
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It’s like it will not add the record unless it already exists on the delegated server.
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Aug 27 20:54:40 NS1 named[35894]: REFUSED unexpected RCODE resolving 'dyn.6ipv.com/NS/IN': 216.218.130.2#53<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">No errors or anything “interesting” on Bind9 start & stop. <br>
I only see that error when performing the NS query against the problem name.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">That IP address is indeed the IP address of the delegated server.
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<br>
But I also cannot add the zone on that server provider’s system (He.net). <br>
Because it checks MY server for the delegated NS records before it will let me add the zone there.
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Which I can’t get working as detailed above.. <br>
I am only trying to get it to work locally first and I can’t even do that, because Bind9 somehow wants to verify the<br>
zone already exists on the delegated server.. <br>
<br>
Is there a way I can get this to at least work first this way? <br>
I would like it to be able just serve up the NS record/pointer. <br>
Not check the remote system for sanity before letting me add the record. <br>
This has me stuck as I can’t add the zone on the remote system, AND I can’t simply add the NS record on my local system.
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<br>
Thanks. <br>
-Steve<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-ligatures:none"> Al <aw009@sunnyside.com>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 27, 2025 8:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Steve Gladden <steve@michiganbroadband.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Trying simple NS delegation for a subdomain * I cannot get it to load/work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">this is a job for the log files.<br>
setting up log files for named can be pretty time consuming, but even the generic setup will probably report what is causing the servfail.<br>
without the logs there isn't any easy way to find out what the problem is.<br>
if you are using views, they should be checked, but again logs are everything</span><span style="mso-ligatures:none"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 8/27/2025 17:01, Steve Gladden wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi this is my first post ever. <br>
I’m stuck on a very simple task that I have not been able to get it to work. <br>
I have done this in the past with older versions of BIND but it has been quite a while.
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<br>
I’m trying to delegate to an external provider’s nameserver for a “subdomain” of mine.
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The parent zone file works properly and loads and serves everything as expected.
<br>
But will not load and serve my NS record pointing an external provider’s DNS. <br>
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I can get much more specific as need-be <br>
I am on and up to date version of Debian Server and up to date version of Bind9 <br>
named -v<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">BIND 9.18.28-1~deb12u2-Debian (Extended Support Version) <id:><o:p></o:p></p>
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This is a generic example of what I am trying to do. <br>
The top two parent NS records load and serve as expected.<br>
As well as the A record of course. <br>
<br>
But the delegated NS record at the bottom does not get loaded or served when queried for it
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I am using dig as you may expect to determine this.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I must be totally missing something simple but I am totally stumped on this at the moment.
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<br>
$TTL 3600<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">$ORIGIN domain.com.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">@ IN SOA domain.com. admin.domain.com. (<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> 2017090101 ; Serial<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> 10800 ; Refresh<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> 1800 ; Retry<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> 1209600 ; Expire<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> 3600 ; Negative Cache TTL<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">@ IN NS ns1.domain.com.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">@ IN NS ns2.domain.com.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">@ IN A 1.2.3.4<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">www IN A 1.2.3.4<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">$ORIGIN test.domain.com.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">@ IN NS ns1.anothernameserver.com.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
dig @localhost test.domain.com NS<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">; <<>> DiG 9.18.28-1~deb12u2-Debian <<>> @localhost test.domain.com ns<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">; (2 servers found)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">;; global options: +cmd<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">;; Got answer:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 59084<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1232<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">; COOKIE: fb069e980ad743db0100000068af9952a0efd48210391401 (good)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">;; QUESTION SECTION:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">;test.domain.com. IN NS<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">;; Query time: 31 msec<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(localhost) (UDP)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">;; WHEN: Wed Aug 27 19:48:34 EDT 2025<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 69<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for any pointers.. <br>
I have spent about a day searching the web before posting. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Many examples say to do it the way I am doing it. <br>
And I’ve done it before this way.<br>
Not sure what I am missing. <br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">-SteveG<o:p></o:p></p>
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