dhcp fails with big dhcpd.leases
dhcp1 at thehobsons.co.uk
Wed Sep 1 07:25:34 UTC 2010
> >> Looking at the above snippet: host with MAC 7c:c5:37:21:d9:7c asked
>>> several times for dhcp data.
>>> The first logs concerning this MAC which can be found are:
>>> Aug 31 12:54:03 [dhcpd] DHCPDISCOVER from 7c:c5:37:21:d9:7c via br0
>>> Aug 31 12:54:04 [dhcpd] DHCPOFFER on 172.18.93.227 to 7c:c5:37:21:d9:7c
>>> via br0
>>> It means the host haven't got IP.
>> But note also, it does NOT request the address.
>It does. But I omit the request:
>Aug 31 13:27:52 [dhcpd] DHCPREQUEST for 10.0.1.8 from 7c:c5:37:21:d9:7c
>via br0: wrong network.
>Aug 31 13:27:52 [dhcpd] DHCPNAK on 10.0.1.8 to 7c:c5:37:21:d9:7c via br0
At last, we seem to be getting somewhere ! That client did not get
that address from your server - at least with the config you posted.
However, that is about 1/2 hour after the previous logs.
>I do not remember whole dhcp protocol. So I don't know what it is really
>exchanged between client and server.
As Sten says, you do need to know this if running a network
professionally - sooner or later you will have a problem and you'll
need to know details like that to see why/where it's going wrong.
>But according my -maybe naive consideration- the host should be able to
>ask for a quite new IP without querying for assigning the "old" one.
>Especially when it tries to get dhcp data connecting totally fresh
>network: there is no address to ask about.
Yes, but if a client already has a lease which has not expired, then
it may start the "conversation" by requesting the address it already
has. If it's still on the same network then the server only has to
ACK it - or if it's not valid for this network (as above), NACK it.
After a NACK, the client has to stop using the address and start from
scratch to get a new one.
The full sequence is :
Client - DHCP-Discover. Broadcasts a request for any DHCP servers to
reply with offers of a lease.
Server - DHCP-Offer. Broadcast an offer back to the client.
<client then selects an offer, since there may be more than one DHCP
server on the network>
Client - DHCP-Request. Broadcast a request to use the address offered.
<the server must now permanently record the lease in the database>
Server - DHCP-Ack. Confirm to the client that the address is valid.
<the client can now configure it's interface>
> > If there is no Request, then the server has nothing to Ack.
>Ok. I undestand - the DHCPACK is posted only when the host asks about
>the IP address and the IP is confirmed.
>> The ONLY request in that snippet is where 00:18:51:ce:b3:69 requests
>> 172.27.140.7 but it is not a known lease. There isn't another instance
>> of that MAC address in the log you posted.
>> Now, why is it unknown ? Probably because you have broken your DHCP
>> server by deleting the leases file.
>First of all - the core of the problem is:
>a) when the dhcpd.leases became "big" the server stops serving DHCP data
>(or clients don't received them)
>b) stopping server, removing dhcpd.leases and starting server - fixes
>the problem immediately
>And this is the problem being the _main subject_ of my mails.
>The message exchange consideration is the results of my suspicions being
>a result of my ignorance regarding the protocol.
>BTW: I have never wrote that I just delete the lease file.
I'm confused. At times you seem to suggest that you "stop the server,
delete the leases file, start the server", while at other times it
sounds more like you "delete the leases file without stopping the
server". Can you confirm which it is ?
>And dhcpd.lease file remove is "legal" when server is not running, isn't
NO, absolutely NOT.
Your server has made promises to clients - ie "you can use <address>
until <end time>". During the period of the leases given out, the
client is given sole use of that address and it cannot be given to
any other client. Once you delete the leases file and restart the
server, that history of promises is lost and so the server cannot
know what addresses are already in use on the network. It is likely
to offer addresses to clients that are already promised to other
clients and so on. It also means that when a client returns to the
network (after any leases it has have expired), the server has no
record of the last address it had previously.
> >> Sorry. I do not understand.
>>> What is illegal or unusual with it?
>>> 172.16.8.0 belongs to 172.16.0.0/14
>>> and 172.16.0.0/14 is a part of 172.16.0.0/12 private class
>>> So what does mean 'behave "funny".' ?
>> There is nothing illegal or funny, but it is known that a small number
>> of badly programmed clients cannot cope with the last octet being 0 or
>> 255 since everyone "knows" that 0 is the network address and 255 is
>> the broadcast address.
>Do you know which ones? Windows? MacOS? Mobile OSes?
>Quite new info for me! Detecting net on IP base only?
>I've ever assumed that to get net & broadcast I need IP and mask.
>Well, its very interesting...
You are right, all it **should** need is IP address and netmask.
However, some people just don't understand that and have written
software (not just DCHP clients) on the assumption that .0 is a
network address and .255 is a broadcast address ! No, I can't say
what clients are involved - but it's not any of the major ones.
> >> I need such big IP range since in fact I have a network of hotspots
>>> working in bridge and centrally controlled from one host.
>> How many clients do you normally have on the network in any 2 hour
>> period ?
>Daily I have about 60 client per point and it grows.
>Now I have 10 points. The plans are to have up to 1000 points.
>> Looking at your original log snippet, you seem to have less than one
>> request per second. For 250,000 clients and a 2 hours lease, you
>> should be seeing not less than about 34 request-ack or
>> discover-offer-request-ack exchanges per second.
>> I'd suggest it's worth cutting back on the address space and see if it
>> makes a difference.
>The lease time is 72000 not 7200 which gives 20 hours (in practice =
>The wide range of IP let me to assume that the same client (=same MAC)
>will have same IP a day.
>What is more with a high probability he will get the same IP in another
>hotspot next day(s).
>And differentiating between clients is very important for the business.
So at the moment you only have about 600 clients. So try cutting down
on the address space in the pool and see what happens. It's a
significant variable, and unless you are prepared to try
experimenting with changing such variables then we won't be able to
help much. At the moment this is one that's under suspicion - so
either disprove it or prove it, it's an easy change to make.
Eg, change the range to "range 172.16.8.1 172.16.31.255" - that's
still 6000 addresses which should be more than enough.
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