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    It apparently defaults to /32 when one neglects to specify a
    netmask.<br>
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      We seem to have moved past dhcp... Take this private so as not to
      bother others with non-dhcp related issues?<br>
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      Many thanks to all!!!  Much appreciated!!!<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/27/2018 06:31 PM, Bill Shirley
      wrote:<br>
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      Also in the entries you've shown: FOUR, SEVEN, and EIGHT are<br>
      using /32 which I think should be /24 I would think.  EIGHT is a<br>
      rule for the bridge, do you need that?<br>
      <br>
      Bill<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/27/2018 9:24 PM, Bill Shirley
        wrote:<br>
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        You're looking in the wrong table.  You want 'iptables -t nat'.<br>
        You need an entry something like:<br>
        <font color="#993300"><tt>iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o
            enp6s0 -s 10.1.1.0/24 -j MASQUERADE</tt><tt><br>
          </tt></font><br>
        I don't craft my iptables by hand; I use Shorewall.<br>
        <br>
        Bill<br>
        <br>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/27/2018 7:52 PM, A wrote:<br>
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          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/27/2018 04:22 PM, Bill
            Shirley wrote:<br>
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            I don't know if it is affecting anything but you still have
            the bridge defined<br>
            in /etc/network/interfaces.  Also, you still have wlp2s0 on
            10.1.1.0/24. Do<br>
            you want to define the wireless?<br>
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          Yes.  I just finished responding to your prior email. I need
          to run out for a few minutes before it gets dark.  Back in 30.<br>
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            <br>
            So 'blue' is to use 'yellow' to get to the internet.  Do you
            have iptables on<br>
            'yellow' set up to masquerade for 10.1.1.0/24 <br>
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          <br>
          This is what I have at the moment so far.  I see an error with
          FOUR.  Back in 30.<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          -A PREROUTING -i enp6s0 -p tcp -m multiport --dports 80,443 -j
          DNAT --to-destination 10.1.1.1<br>
          -A FORWARD -i enp6s0 -o wlp2s0 -m conntrack --ctstate
          RELATED,ESTABLISHED -m comment --comment THREE -j ACCEPT<br>
          -A FORWARD -d 10.1.1.0/32 -i enp4s5 -o enp6s0 -m comment
          --comment FOUR -j ACCEPT<br>
          -A FORWARD ! -d 10.1.1.0/32 -o enp6s0 -m comment --comment
          SEVEN -j ACCEPT<br>
          -A FORWARD -d 10.1.1.0/32 -o br0 -m conntrack --ctstate
          RELATED,ESTABLISHED -m comment --comment EIGHT -j ACCEPT<br>
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            <br>
            Bill<br>
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            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/27/2018 7:10 PM, A wrote:<br>
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              <p><font face="Arial">I meant to include the current
                  /etc/network/interfaces.  Below.  However, in the
                  meantime I'm getting different results.  Perhaps due
                  to the fact that I changed "static" to "manuel".  I
                  also <b>deleted</b> the bridge.  Now, both machines
                  can ping each other on the wired interface, and 
                  yellow can still ping the 'Net.  Blue cannot ping the
                  Internet.<br>
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              <p><font face="Arial">It's unclear if the bridge-utils is
                  truly out of the picture, despite the tools reporting
                  so.  I suspect this may still be an issue that will
                  come back later when I retry.<br>
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              <p><font face="Arial">PING blue (10.1.1.14) 56(84) bytes
                  of data.<br>
                  64 bytes from blue (10.1.1.14): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64
                  time=0.353 ms<br>
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              <p><font face="Arial">ping google.com<br>
                  PING google.com (172.217.11.78) 56(84) bytes of data.<br>
                  64 bytes from lax17s34-in-f14.1e100.net
                  (172.217.11.78): icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=23.4 ms<br>
                </font></p>
              <p><font face="Arial"># ping yellow<br>
                  PING yellow (127.0.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data.<br>
                  64 bytes from yellow (127.0.1.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64
                  time=0.088 ms<br>
                  ^C<br>
                  --- yellow ping statistics ---<br>
                  1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss,
                  time 0ms<br>
                  rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.088/0.088/0.088/0.000 ms<br>
                </font></p>
              <p><font face="Arial"># ping router<br>
                  PING yellow (10.1.1.1) 56(84) bytes of data.<br>
                  64 bytes from yellow (10.1.1.1): icmp_seq=1 ttl=64
                  time=0.077 ms<br>
                  ^C<br>
                  --- yellow ping statistics ---<br>
                  1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss,
                  time 0ms<br>
                  rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.077/0.077/0.077/0.000 ms<br>
                  <br>
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              <p><font face="Arial">~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`<br>
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              <p><font face="Arial">/etc/network/interfaces:</font><br>
              </p>
              <br>
              auto lo<br>
              iface lo inet loopback<br>
                  dns-nameservers 10.1.1.1 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 50.23.197.95<br>
                  dns-search FQDN<br>
              <br>
              auto enp6s0<br>
              <br>
              iface enp6s0 inet dhcp<br>
                  dns-nameservers 10.1.1.1 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 50.23.197.95
              <br>
                  dns-search FQDN<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              auto enp4s5<br>
              allow-hotplug enp4s5 <br>
              iface enp4s5 inet manuel<br>
                  gateway 10.1.1.1<br>
                  network 10.1.1.0<br>
                  netmask 255.255.255.0 <br>
                  broadcast 10.1.1.255<br>
              <br>
                  # Before we can change the address we have to bring
              the face down<br>
                  pre-up ip link set enp4s5 down<br>
              <br>
              # I don't know if I can use two ups.  I don't know the
              right way to do this.<br>
                  up ip address 0.0.0.0 dev enp4s5<br>
                  up ip link set enp4s5 up<br>
                  down ip link set enp4s5 down<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              allow-hotplug wlp2s0 <br>
              iface wlp2s0 inet manuel<br>
                  gateway 10.1.1.1<br>
                  network 10.1.1.0<br>
                  netmask 255.255.255.0 <br>
                  broadcast 10.1.1.255<br>
              <br>
              # I don't know if I can use two pre-ups.  I don't know the
              right way to do this.<br>
                  pre-up ip link set wlp2s0 down<br>
                  pre-up ip address 0.0.0.0 dev wlp2s0<br>
                  up ip link set wlp2s0 up<br>
                  down ip link set wlp2s0 down<br>
              <br>
                  wireless-mode master<br>
                  wireless-essid XXXXXXXXXXXXXX<br>
                  wireless-channel 1<br>
                  wpa-ssid XXXXXXXXXXXXXX<br>
                  wpa-psk
              XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX<br>
                  gateway 10.1.1.1<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              auto br0<br>
              iface br0 inet static<br>
                  address 10.1.1.1<br>
                  network 10.1.1.0<br>
                  netmask 255.255.255.0<br>
                  broadcast 10.1.1.255<br>
                  bridge-ports enp4s5 wlp2s0<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/27/2018 03:20 PM, A
                wrote:<br>
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                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/27/2018 01:28 PM,
                  Simon Hobson wrote:<br>
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                    <div>A <<a href="mailto:publicface@bak.rr.com"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">publicface@bak.rr.com</a>>
                      wrote:</div>
                    <br>
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">I did
                        originally have two separate subnets with a /28
                        CIDR, but I was unable to reach the Internet
                        from blue and someone suggested I have one
                        subnet in order to act as a typical home router.
                        So I reconfigured everything and it's now borked
                        worse than it was.  Said person disappeared
                        shortly after of course.<br>
                        <br>
                        There is no commercial router.  Yellow is the
                        router, gateway, access point, dhcp server, dns
                        server, firewall (iptables) and more.<br>
                      </div>
                    </blockquote>
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                  <br>
                  <div>OK, so this box is your gateway, AP, etc, etc. In
                    that case I believe that your setup is fundamentally
                    broken - you have TWO SEPARATE networks (one wired,
                    one wireless) running the same subnet. </div>
                </blockquote>
                <br>
                Yes, that's how I was told to set it up by a helpful
                individual.  I was told since it was one subnet, no
                routing would be needed.  The wireless & wired
                interfaces would be bridged.  Seemed reasonable.  It
                sounds like you are suggesting exactly the same thing so
                "fundamentally broken" seems a bit harsh.<br>
                <br>
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                  cite="mid:2E9F6590-01A8-43DA-8E48-E885BE73CC78@thehobsons.co.uk">
                  <div>Thus devices on the wired network cannot talk to
                    devices on the WiFi and vice-verca.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>Bear in mind that I've not used WiFi in this
                    manner (I'm used to using external APs), so I am
                    unsure of some of the details. If you want to run a
                    single unified network then you will need to create
                    a bridge, and put the wired and wireless adapters
                    into that bridge - and put your address 10.1.1.1/24
                    onto the bridge. You will then have one network, and
                    the bridge software will pass packets between them,
                    as well as keeping track of which clients are in
                    which network segment.</div>
                </blockquote>
                <br>
                I removed the bridge because I was unable to reach the
                Internet from yellow (nor blue).  And that is how things
                stand now.  Bridge up, Internet down.  Bridge down,
                Internet up.  <br>
                <br>
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                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>As far as (almost) all software on your box is
                    concerned, you just deal with one interface (the
                    bridge, eg br0). What I am unsure about is how dhcpd
                    behaves in this case - hopefully someone who's run
                    this setup can comment ? I would hope that it would
                    use the bridge interface in the same manner as it
                    would use a "real" one, but there can be some subtle
                    differences.</div>
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                <br>
                I had it working with the bridge at one point - each box
                could ping the other on both wired & wireless, but
                blue couldn't reach the Internet.  Lets see if we can
                put it back.<br>
                <br>
                .... blue now receives an IP of .14; neither machine can
                ping the other, though each can ping its own assigned
                IP.<br>
                <br>
                # brctl show<br>
                bridge name    bridge id        STP enabled   
                interfaces<br>
                br0        8000.7085c23b1324    no                  
                enp4s5<br>
                                                                     
                                   enp6s0<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                $ ip a<br>
                1: lo: <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 65536 qdisc
                noqueue state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000<br>
                    link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd
                00:00:00:00:00:00<br>
                    inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo<br>
                       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever<br>
                    inet6 ::1/128 scope host <br>
                       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever<br>
                2: enp4s5: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu
                1500 qdisc pfifo_fast master br0 state UP group default
                qlen 1000<br>
                    link/ether c8:3a:35:da:42:72 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff<br>
                    inet 10.1.1.1/24 brd 10.1.1.255 scope global enp4s5<br>
                       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever<br>
                3: enp6s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu
                1500 qdisc pfifo_fast master br0 state UP group default
                qlen 1000<br>
                    link/ether 70:85:c2:3b:13:24 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff<br>
                    inet [xx.xx.xx.xx]/20 brd 255.255.255.255 scope
                global enp6s0<br>
                       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever<br>
                    inet6 fe80::7285:c2ff:fe3b:1324/64 scope link <br>
                       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever<br>
                4: wlp2s0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu
                1500 qdisc noqueue state DOWN group default qlen 1000<br>
                    link/ether f0:7d:68:c1:b4:13 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff<br>
                    inet 10.1.1.10/24 brd 10.1.1.255 scope global wlp2s0<br>
                       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever<br>
                5: br0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500
                qdisc noqueue state UP group default qlen 1000<br>
                    link/ether 70:85:c2:3b:13:24 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff<br>
                    inet 10.1.1.1/24 brd 10.1.1.255 scope global br0<br>
                       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever<br>
                    inet6 fe80::7285:c2ff:fe3b:1324/64 scope link <br>
                       valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever<br>
                <br>
                # ip route<br>
                default via 174.xx.yy.1 dev enp6s0 <br>
                10.1.1.0/24 dev enp4s5  proto kernel  scope link  src
                10.1.1.1 <br>
                174.xx.yy.0/20 dev enp6s0  proto kernel  scope link  src
                174.xx.bb.zz <br>
                <br>
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