Meeting at IETF110?

[Warren Kumari]

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 2:08 PM Peter van Dijk
<peter.van.dijk at powerdns.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Warren,
>
> (I promise this email is not actually about DNS, even if it mentions it
> a lot!)
>
> (summary: if people are not traveling, why have IEPG in the same week
> as IETF?)
>
> On Tue, 2021-02-02 at 13:32 -0500, Warren Kumari wrote:
> > We are trying to decide if we should meet at IETF110; please let us
> > know as soon as possible[0] if you have topics that you'd like to
> > discuss/present.
>
> For the last few years, myself and a few friends have organised a DNS
> devroom at FOSDEM. This made sense because plenty of DNS people were
> there anyway, so why not have a meeting and talk about DNS things for
> half a day!
>
> FOSDEM 2021 is completely online. A few months ago, I talked to one of
> my co-organisers, and I said 'we should probably sign up for a devroom
> again'. He pointed out that since we stopped having physical
> conferences, opportunities for DNS people to meet online have grown
> greatly - higher frequency but shorter OARCs, online RIPE DNSWGs, etc.
> So, the need for a DNS devroom at FOSDEM2021 is much smaller than in
> other years.
>
> We then had the secondary insight that FOSDEM, generally, is
> overwhelming to people - two days, 30-40 devrooms, hard choices have to
> be made as a visitor. The online version appears to be keeping those
> numbers. So, better let people go to the things they like other than
> DNS, and meet them again at the next OARC, or DNSWG, etc.
>
> Now, the comparison is not 100% - IEPG does not overlap with IETF, but
> it is very close to it, in a week that is already very busy for many
> people. And IEPG is not a 'DNS meeting' or a 'BGP meeting' (although it
> can sometimes be hard to tell the difference!).
>
> So, I'm not here to tell you that you should do or not do a thing
> because I did not do a thing, but I'm suggesting that you think about
> whether it makes sense to have IEPG on the Sunday before IETF instead
> of any other time, some time where you're not turning a five day
> meeting into a six day meeting.
>
> (There's a second perspective here too - if there is no travel anyway,
> why -limit- yourself to IETF frequency?)
>
> (I am also completely ignoring here that IEPG might benefit from the
> IETF online conference setup configuration for the week.)
>
> That's my 2 cents. Do with them what you like :)


<Warren hangs head in shame>
That was a copy-and-paste from the IEPG website; without it my email
seemed a little bare / to lack context, so I copied and pasted it and
sent it without actually thinking...

The Sunday text came from when we had in-person meetings, for the
virtual ones we meet / would meet the week before (~Wednesady or
Thursday). We are still following along with the meeting cadence
because we take advantage of the IETF Remote Participation stuff
(MeetEcho), the secretariat helping organize and schedule, etc.

Anyway - while we are discussing the DNS (because, "Yay! DNS!!!"), I'd
like to note that we will be having another Technology Deep Dives on
the DNS session at IETF 110. We held one at IETF 108
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV0q9s94RL8); this will be part two.

W


>
> Cheers, Peter
>
>
>
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