Russ, I think innupgrade.pl.in needs the require-innshellvars magic, doesn't it? I got this: /usr/local/news/bin/innupgrade /usr/local/news/etc Updating inn.conf, old verion saved as inn.conf.OLD inn.conf: cannot find UID and GID of which looks like $inn::newsuser is undefined... -- Jeffrey M. Vinocur jeff at litech.org