Death of irrtoolset?

Fredrik Pettai pettai at
Sun Oct 11 12:42:42 UTC 2009

On Oct 11, 2009, at 1:46 AM, Jonathan Day wrote:
> --- On Fri, 10/9/09, Nick Hilliard <nick at> wrote:
>> From: Nick Hilliard <nick at>
>> Subject: Re: Death of irrtoolset?
>> To: "Faidon Liambotis" <paravoid at>
>> Cc: irrtoolset at
>> Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 11:02 AM
>> On 09/10/2009 16:38, Faidon Liambotis
>> wrote:
>>> All in all, I don't understand this sudden change of
>> heart.
>>> Could you please give more details about your plans,
>> especially
>>> regarding ISC's position on this?
>> Please excuse the melodrama in that talk.  It was the
>> first talk of the day after a well-attended social from the
>> night before, and I deliberately set out to provide a
>> modicum of entertainment, so perhaps it would be useful to
>> explain my position.  It is this:
>> The code is unmaintainable.  Completely and utterly
>> unmaintainable.
> (snip)
> Ok, so maintaining the existing codebase is impossible. Where does  
> that leave us?
> Rewriting the entire toolset from scratch is going to be hard work  
> and I sincerely doubt that there'd be a whole lot of funding for it.  
> The "if it works, don't fix it" mindset is superbly honed in the  
> minds of bursars and CFOs when it comes to asking for funds for such  
> projects.


> A third option would be see if you can get help on this. Ubuntu and  
> Red Hat have coders aplenty and serious financial muscle. OpenBSD  
> needs network tools that are bulletproof, and irrtoolset (as it  
> stands) is clearly not that. The US Government is pushing  
> cybersecurity, but you can't have that if fundamental tools aren't  
> secure. Japanese ISPs were major sponsors of IPv6 development - for  
> code and cash, perhaps they'd be willing to provide some help with  
> this. Sweden is also highly connected and must therefore have a need  
> for good backbone support tools.

There is actually a fund provided by IIS in Sweden for the development  
of the Internet:

It's not 100% clear if a project with the goal of re-writing  
IRRToolkit from scratch would fall within the criteria to be funded.  
But it might be worth investigating.


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