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    <p>There is an instance of dnsmasq running on virbr0, which is the
      default "nat" interface for kvm vms not using bridged networking.
      The virbr0 network is supposed to be isolated from the rest of the
      network, but it is possible; According to the output of netstat
      -lntup"</p>
    <p>tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:8000          0.0.0.0:*           
         LISTEN      2707/kea-ctrl-agent <br>
      tcp        0      0 192.168.1.104:5357      0.0.0.0:*             
       LISTEN      2732/python3        <br>
      tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:37099           0.0.0.0:*             
       LISTEN      2718/rpc.mountd     <br>
      tcp        0      0 192.168.100.1:53        0.0.0.0:*             
       LISTEN      3028/dnsmasq        <br>
      ...</p>
    <p>udp        0      0 192.168.100.1:53        0.0.0.0:*           
                     3028/dnsmasq        <br>
      udp        0      0 127.0.0.54:53           0.0.0.0:*             
                   1548/systemd-resolv <br>
      udp        0      0 127.0.0.53:53           0.0.0.0:*             
                   1548/systemd-resolv <br>
      udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:67              0.0.0.0:*             
                   3028/dnsmasq        <br>
    </p>
    <p>That last line is a bit of a worry, I think kea DHCP4 would be
      running on 0.0.0.0:67 if it were running. I'll just check....</p>
    <p>tcp        0      0 192.168.1.104:8003      0.0.0.0:*           
         LISTEN      845230/kea-dhcp4 </p>
    <p>When I started dhcp4 the only record netstat-lntop had of it was
      tcp rather than udp, but i thought that kea ran on udp by default
      unless specified. I actually think the 8003 port is where the
      stork server communicates, so perhaps the dnsmasq is blocking kea
      from udp.</p>
    <p>When I disconnect virbr0 and start kea-dhcp4-server I still get
      dnsmasq on 0.0.0.0:67 udp, even though dnsmasq is not installed on
      my computer and only runs as part of qemu-kvm. I will look into
      this further in the morning.</p>
    <p>Regards</p>
    <p>Stuart MacGregor</p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21/2/26 21:17, Razvan Becheriu
      wrote:<br>
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          to same iface/addr/port?</div>
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              <hr id="MESSAGE_DATA_MARKER"><strong>From: </strong>Stuart
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sleepygriogar@gmail.com"><sleepygriogar@gmail.com></a><br>
              <strong>To: </strong>Razvan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:razvan@isc.org"><razvan@isc.org></a><br>
              <strong>Cc: </strong>Kea <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kea-users@lists.isc.org"><kea-users@lists.isc.org></a><br>
              <strong>Date: </strong>Saturday, 21 February 2026 12:57
              PM EET<br>
              <strong>Subject: </strong>Re: [Kea-users] Kea DHCP4 not
              working on newly configured bridged network<br>
              <br>
              <p>Razvan,</p>
              <p>I tried adding interface "br0" to both my subnets a few
                days ago, there was no measurable change so I removed
                the lines again.</p>
              <p> </p>
              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21/2/26 20:48, Razvan
                Becheriu wrote:</div>
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                <div
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif; color: #000000;">
                  <div>can you add “interface”: “br0” to each of your
                    subnets?</div>
                  <div
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif; color: #000000;"> </div>
                  <div
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif; color: #000000;">set
                    logging to DEBUG and level 99</div>
                  <div
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif; color: #000000;"> </div>
                  <div
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif; color: #000000;">you
                    can overwrite logging temporarily by passing <span
style="font-style: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: pre-wrap; word-spacing: 0px; text-decoration: none; color: #e3e4e8; font-family: 'open sans' , sans-serif; font-size: 14px; text-align: left; background-color: #191b1f; float: none; display: inline !important;">KEA_LOGGER_SEVERITY="DEBUG" KEA_LOGGER_DBGLEVEL=99 KEA_LOGGER_DESTINATION="stdout"</span></div>
                  <div> before ./kea-dhcp4 -c …</div>
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                        <hr id="MESSAGE_DATA_MARKER"><strong>From: </strong>Stuart
                        <a href="mailto:sleepygriogar@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><sleepygriogar@gmail.com></a><br>
                        <strong>To: </strong>Kea <a
                          href="mailto:kea-users@lists.isc.org"
                          target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><kea-users@lists.isc.org></a>;
                        Razvan <a href="mailto:razvan@isc.org"
                          target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
                          moz-do-not-send="true"><razvan@isc.org></a><br>
                        <strong>Date: </strong>Saturday, 21 February
                        2026 12:35 PM EET<br>
                        <strong>Subject: </strong>Re: [Kea-users] Kea
                        DHCP4 not working on newly configured bridged
                        network<br>
                        <br>
                        <p>Razvan,</p>
                        <p>The secondary kea server is on a completely
                          seperate computer. My home network
                          infrastructure consists of on decent (ish)
                          server and several, old, second hand computers
                          I bought cheap. One of these runs the
                          secondary server. It binds to the standard
                          ethernet port of that machine and then
                          services the network via the router. As I said
                          the main server is connected to the router
                          through br0. It connects to the internet and
                          to other computers on the network (e.g. it
                          shares files via samba). It even contacts the
                          secondary dhcp server to ask it to turn off
                          when I restart kea-dhcp4-server. It then just
                          doesn't offer leases. The VMs connect to the
                          router via the Bridged Network and then
                          receive dhcp DORA from the secondary server
                          via the router, so long as the main server is
                          off and failover is complete.</p>
                        <p>There are no files at all in /var/log/kea.
                          There is also no fles called kea-dhcp4.log in
                          /var/log, where the config file indicates it
                          should be. I think my logging parameters are
                          screwed up, perhaps I need to change the debug
                          level or severity, perhaps there is a stupid
                          typo.</p>
                        <p>Regards</p>
                        <p>Stuart MacGregor</p>
                        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21/2/26 20:10,
                          Razvan Becheriu wrote:</div>
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                            <div>Hi,</div>
                            <div
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                            <div
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif; color: #000000;">How
                              is it that the vms acquire ip using
                              secondary server? does the secondary bind
                              on the same interface at the same time?</div>
                            <div
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                            <div
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif; color: #000000;">Logs
                              should be under
                              /kea/install/path/var/log/kea</div>
                            <div
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif; color: #000000;"> </div>
                            <div
style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif; color: #000000;">I
                              think that only one of your servers
                              successfully binds to the interface and
                              because the server uses reuse port/address
                              the secondary if starts second will
                              receive traffic.</div>
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                                    <hr id="MESSAGE_DATA_MARKER"><strong>From:
                                    </strong>Stuart <a
href="mailto:sleepygriogar@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                                      rel="noopener noreferrer"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"><sleepygriogar@gmail.com></a><br>
                                    <strong>To: </strong>kea-users <a
href="mailto:kea-users@lists.isc.org" target="_blank"
                                      rel="noopener noreferrer"
                                      moz-do-not-send="true"><kea-users@lists.isc.org></a><br>
                                    <strong>Date: </strong>Saturday, 21
                                    February 2026 3:31 AM EET<br>
                                    <strong>Subject: </strong>[Kea-users]
                                    Kea DHCP4 not working on newly
                                    configured bridged network<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <p>Good Morning,</p>
                                    <p>I am running Ubuntu 24.04, Kea
                                      2.4.1. I have been using Kea
                                      without major issues for a year or
                                      two, isc-dhcp for a couple of
                                      years prior. During recent kernel
                                      updates I decided I was sick of
                                      Virtualbox compatibility issues,
                                      so I created a bridged network so
                                      that I could move my vms
                                      (Nextcloud, Stork) to KVM. I am
                                      somewhat incompetent, but after
                                      about 100 attempts I have managed
                                      to setup a bridged network that
                                      connects my server to the rest of
                                      the network and to the internet.
                                      My new KVM VMs are joining the
                                      network as if they were real
                                      devices. My problem is my kea
                                      DHCP4 server. I guess have done
                                      something stupid, either with
                                      selecting the interface in
                                      kea-dhcp4.conf or with configuring
                                      my bridged network (br0).  At this
                                      stage, when I start
                                      kea-dhcp4-server, it communicates
                                      to my HA standby to to take
                                      control of DHCP but then
                                      completely fails to provide ip
                                      addresses itself. So, the network
                                      currently looks like this:</p>
                                    <p><i>dad@<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="macserver:~$">macserver:~$</a> ip a<br>
                                        1: lo:
                                        <LOOPBACK,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu
                                        65536 qdisc noqueue state
                                        UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000<br>
                                            link/loopback
                                        00:00:00:00:00:00 brd
                                        00:00:00:00:00:00<br>
                                            inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host
                                        lo<br>
                                               valid_lft forever
                                        preferred_lft forever<br>
                                            inet6 ::1/128 scope host
                                        noprefixroute <br>
                                               valid_lft forever
                                        preferred_lft forever<br>
                                        2: enp34s0:
                                        <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP>
                                        mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel master
                                        br0 state UP group default qlen
                                        1000<br>
                                            link/ether 2c:<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="f0:5d:2d:88:35">f0:5d:2d:88:35</a>
                                        brd <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff">ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff</a><br>
                                        3: br0:
                                        <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP>
                                        mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state UP
                                        group default qlen 1000<br>
                                            link/ether 42:4c:23:6c:4d:7f
                                        brd <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff">ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff</a><br>
                                            inet 192.168.1.104/23 brd
                                        192.168.1.255 scope global
                                        noprefixroute br0<br>
                                               valid_lft forever
                                        preferred_lft forever<br>
                                            inet6
                                        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="fe80::e54c:73f4:f662:95fb/64">fe80::e54c:73f4:f662:95fb/64</a>
                                        scope link noprefixroute <br>
                                               valid_lft forever
                                        preferred_lft forever<br>
                                        4: virbr0:
                                        <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP>
                                        mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue state
                                        DOWN group default qlen 1000<br>
                                            link/ether 52:54:00:5b:<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="e6:4e">e6:4e</a>
                                        brd <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff">ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff</a><br>
                                            inet 192.168.100.1/24 brd
                                        192.168.100.255 scope global
                                        virbr0<br>
                                               valid_lft forever
                                        preferred_lft forever<br>
                                        5: vnet0:
                                        <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP>
                                        mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master
                                        br0 state UNKNOWN group default
                                        qlen 1000<br>
                                            link/ether <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="fe:00:27:dc:06:7e">fe:00:27:dc:06:7e</a>
                                        brd <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff">ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff</a><br>
                                            inet6
                                        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="fe80::fc00:27ff:fedc:67e/64">fe80::fc00:27ff:fedc:67e/64</a>
                                        scope link <br>
                                               valid_lft forever
                                        preferred_lft forever<br>
                                        6: vnet1:
                                        <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP>
                                        mtu 1500 qdisc noqueue master
                                        br0 state UNKNOWN group default
                                        qlen 1000<br>
                                            link/ether <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="fe:54:00:80:eb:73">fe:54:00:80:eb:73</a>
                                        brd <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff">ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff</a><br>
                                            inet6
                                        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="fe80::fc54:ff:fe80:eb73/64">fe80::fc54:ff:fe80:eb73/64</a> scope
                                        link <br>
                                               valid_lft forever
                                        preferred_lft forever</i></p>
                                    <p>The key sections (eliminating all
                                      my lease reservations and such) of
                                      my dhcp4.conf look like this:</p>
                                    <p><i>{<br>
                                          "Dhcp4": {<br>
                                            "interfaces-config": {<br>
                                            "interfaces": [ "br0" ]<br>
                                            },<br>
                                            "control-socket": {<br>
                                                "socket-type": "unix",<br>
                                                "socket-name":
                                        "/run/kea/kea4-ctrl-socket"<br>
                                            },<br>
                                            "lease-database": {<br>
                                                "type": "memfile",<br>
                                                "lfc-interval": 3600<br>
                                            },<br>
                                            "multi-threading": {<br>
                                               
                                        "enable-multi-threading": true,<br>
                                                "thread-pool-size": 2,<br>
                                                "packet-queue-size": 14<br>
                                            },<br>
                                            "client-classes": [<br>
                                              {<br>
                                                "name": "homeauto"<br>
                                              },<br>
                                              {<br>
                                                "name": "normal",<br>
                                                "test": "not
                                        member('homeauto')"<br>
                                              }<br>
                                            ],<br>
                                            "option-data": [<br>
                                              {<br>
                                                "space": "dhcp4",<br>
                                                "name": "domain-name",<br>
                                                "code": 15,<br>
                                                "data":
                                        "skfaf.servesarcasm.com"<br>
                                              },<br>
                                              {<br>
                                                "space": "dhcp4",<br>
                                                "name":
                                        "domain-name-servers",<br>
                                                "code": 6,<br>
                                                "data": "192.168.1.1"<br>
                                              },<br>
                                              {<br>
                                                "space": "dhcp4",<br>
                                                "name":
                                        "broadcast-address",<br>
                                                "code": 28,<br>
                                                "data": "192.168.1.255"<br>
                                              },<br>
                                              {<br>
                                                "space": "dhcp4",<br>
                                                "name": "routers",<br>
                                                "code": 3,<br>
                                                "data": "192.168.1.1"<br>
                                              },<br>
                                              {<br>
                                                "space": "dhcp4",<br>
                                                "name": "subnet-mask",<br>
                                                "code": 1,<br>
                                                "data": "255.255.254.0"<br>
                                              }<br>
                                            ],<br>
                                            "valid-lifetime": 43200,<br>
                                            "renew-timer": 21600,<br>
                                            "rebind-timer": 32400,<br>
                                            "expired-leases-processing":
                                        {<br>
                                               
                                        "reclaim-timer-wait-time": 3600,<br>
                                                "hold-reclaimed-time":
                                        172800,<br>
                                                "max-reclaim-leases": 0,<br>
                                                "max-reclaim-time": 0<br>
                                            },    <br>
                                            "dhcp-ddns": {<br>
                                              "enable-updates": false<br>
                                            },<br>
                                            "authoritative": true,<br>
                                            "hooks-libraries": [<br>
                                               {<br>
                                               "library":
                                        "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/kea/hooks/libdhcp_lease_cmds.so"<br>
                                               },<br>
                                               {<br>
                                               "library":
                                        "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/kea/hooks/libdhcp_stat_cmds.so"<br>
                                               },<br>
                                               {<br>
                                               "library":
                                        "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/kea/hooks/libdhcp_ha.so",<br>
                                               "parameters": {<br>
                                                    "high-availability":
                                        [ {<br>
                                                    "this-server-name":
                                        "macserver",<br>
                                                    "mode":
                                        "hot-standby",<br>
                                                    "heatbeat-delay":
                                        10000,<br>
                                                   
                                        "max-response-delay": 60000,<br>
                                                    "max-ack-delay":
                                        5000,<br>
                                                   
                                        "max-unacked-clients": 5,<br>
                                                    "sync-timeout":
                                        60000,<br>
                                                    "multi-threading": {<br>
                                                         
                                        "enable-multi-threading": true,<br>
                                                         
                                        "http-dedicated-listener": true,<br>
                                                         
                                        "http-listener-threads": 0,<br>
                                                         
                                        "http-client-threads": 0<br>
                                                    },<br>
                                                    "peers": [<br>
                                                       {<br>
                                                          "name":
                                        "macserver",<br>
                                                          "url": <a
href="http://192.168.1.104:8003/" target="_blank"
                                          rel="noopener noreferrer"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">"http://192.168.1.104:8003/"</a>,<br>
                                                          "role":
                                        "primary"<br>
                                                       },<br>
                                                       {   <br>
                                                          "name":
                                        "oldhp",<br>
                                                          "url": <a
href="http://192.168.1.110:8003/" target="_blank"
                                          rel="noopener noreferrer"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true">"http://192.168.1.110:8003/"</a>,<br>
                                                          "role":
                                        "standby"<br>
                                                        }<br>
                                                      ]<br>
                                                    } ]<br>
                                                  }<br>
                                                }</i></p>
                                    <p><i> </i></p>
                                    <p><i>],<br>
                                             "shared-networks": [<br>
                                             {<br>
                                               "name": "macnet",<br>
                                               "subnet4": [<br>
                                                 {<br>
                                                  "id": 1,<br>
                                                  "subnet":
                                        "192.168.1.0/24",<br>
                                                  "pools": [<br>
                                                    {<br>
                                                      "pool":
                                        "192.168.1.124 - 192.168.1.198",<br>
                                                      "client-class":
                                        "normal"<br>
                                                    }<br>
                                                  ],<br>
                                                    "option-data": [<br>
                                                     {<br>
                                                       "space": "dhcp4",<br>
                                                       "name":
                                        "routers",<br>
                                                       "code": 3,<br>
                                                       "data":
                                        "192.168.1.1"<br>
                                                     }<br>
                                                ]<br>
                                                },<br>
                                                {<br>
                                                  "id": 2,<br>
                                                  "subnet":
                                        "192.168.0.0/23",<br>
                                                  "pools": [<br>
                                                    {<br>
                                                   "pool":
                                        "192.168.0.150 - 192.168.0.175",<br>
                                                    "client-class":
                                        "homeauto"<br>
                                                    }<br>
                                                  ],<br>
                                                   "option-data": [<br>
                                                     {<br>
                                                       "space": "dhcp4",<br>
                                                       "name":
                                        "routers",<br>
                                                       "code": 3,<br>
                                                       "data":
                                        "192.168.1.1"<br>
                                                     },<br>
                                                     {<br>
                                                       "space": "dhcp4",<br>
                                                       "name":
                                        "domain-name-servers",<br>
                                                       "code": 6,<br>
                                                       "data":
                                        "192.168.1.1"<br>
                                                     }<br>
                                                ]<br>
                                                }<br>
                                              ]<br>
                                              }<br>
                                            ],<br>
                                            "loggers": [<br>
                                            {<br>
                                               "name": "kea-dhcp4",<br>
                                               "output_options": [<br>
                                                  {<br>
                                                     "output":
                                        "/var/log/kea-dhcp4.log",<br>
                                                     "maxsize": 2048000,<br>
                                                     "maxver": 4<br>
                                                     }<br>
                                                  ],<br>
                                                  "severity": "INFO",<br>
                                                  "debuglevel": 0<br>
                                              }<br>
                                            ]<br>
                                          }<br>
                                        }</i></p>
                                    <p> </p>
                                    <p>I changed my "interface" to "br0"
                                      because my previous setup (exerp
                                      below) stopped working when I
                                      started the br0 network. </p>
                                    <p> <i>{<br>
                                          "Dhcp4": {<br>
                                            "interfaces-config": {<br>
                                            "interfaces": [ "enp34s0" ]</i></p>
                                    <p>Changing the interface to "br0"
                                      has had exactly no effect.</p>
                                    <p>I realise that I have missed
                                      something fundamental and I am
                                      wasting your valuable time.
                                      However I have been trying to sort
                                      this out for days (in whatever
                                      spare time is available) and I
                                      have acheived nothing. Each time I
                                      start kea-dhcp-server on my main
                                      server it appears in Stork with no
                                      errors, systemd says its running
                                      fine and my HA standby stops
                                      providing dhcp. Unfortunately if I
                                      then turn on a device it simply
                                      does not receive an ip lease. If I
                                      turn off DHCP on the main server
                                      then eventually the standby starts
                                      takes over dhcp again and network
                                      functions return to normal (though
                                      this takes a very long time &
                                      sometimes requires a restart of
                                      kea-dhcp4-server on the stanby
                                      server, perhaps another error to
                                      fix later). Even my new VMs
                                      receive ips seamlessly from the
                                      standby server.</p>
                                    <p>If you need to see some logs,
                                      please tell me where I can
                                      retreive them because I haven't
                                      been able to work that out either
                                      (I think I need to change my
                                      logging parameters in
                                      kea-dhcp4.conf). I used Wireshark
                                      to capture network coms before and
                                      after turning on the main dhcp
                                      server but I then realised that I
                                      was too stupid/ignorant to work
                                      out what was going on from the
                                      output. I can provided the
                                      Wireshark output, but it is a
                                      large file (ran it for too long
                                      and filtered it poorly, I think)
                                      that I won't inflict on you unless
                                      you wish it.</p>
                                    <p>Please give me some ideas of what
                                      I have to do to troubleshoot/fix
                                      this.</p>
                                    <p>Regards</p>
                                    <p>Stuart MacGregor</p>
                                    <p> </p>
                                    <p> </p>
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