.us domain request denied ????

[Kevin Darcy]

All I would say is:

1. There are only 3 unique, global IP addresses in all of
naperville.il.us, and all 3 appear to be on the same segment. And no
delegations. So I doubt that we're looking at many "blameless victims"
here. Looks like the City of Naperville just decided to appropriate this
domain all to themselves. If so, then they are the only ones who'll
suffer if they're exiled from the namespace. Too bad: you break the
rules, you pay the price.

2. Law Suits. The registration agreement required by .us (see
http://www.nic.us/cgi-bin/template.pl) is a Verisign agreement that has
pages and pages of disclaimers-of-warranty, indemnifications,
hold-harmless clauses, etc. It also requires the registrant to abide by
RFC 1480 and the various rules posted on www.nic.us as far as naming
conventions are concerned. Even a hack ambulance-chasing-type lawyer
would be a fool to take on Verisign on such shaky legal grounds.


- Kevin

Jim Reid wrote:

> >>>>> "Kevin" == Kevin Darcy <kcd at daimlerchrysler.com> writes:
>
>     >> Registries and zone administrators are well within their rights
>     >> to choose whatever rules and policies they want. The City of
>     >> Napierville seems to have decided not to issue personal
>     >> registrations in naperville.il.us. Since they own that domain,
>     >> they're perfectly entitled to do that. They decide what goes in
>     >> that domain and appear to have chosen that a personal domain
>     >> for you is unacceptable. Suppose you owned markrossi.org. Would
>     >> you delegate jim.markrossi.org to me if I asked you?
>
>     Kevin> Actually, Jim, the rules are different for .us. The TLD
>     Kevin> owner specifies the exact naming conventions to be used,
>     Kevin> down to the 3rd or 4th label, and specifies that
>     Kevin> individuals and businesses are by right entitled to
>     Kevin> register in the domain. It's a *conditional* delegation of
>     Kevin> authority, not an *absolute* one like for gTLD
>     Kevin> subdomains. The owners of the subdomains are bound by the
>     Kevin> rules of the TLD owner. The ultimate penalty for violating
>     Kevin> those rules is of course to be exiled from the namespace.
>
> That may well be so, but it's largely irrelevant.
>
> The first problem is getting the zone adminstrator to change their
> policy. Whether that policy is right or wrong is not important. It has
> to be changed and the current zone administrator is the only one who
> can do that. We don't know if the original poster did anything about
> that or what the outcome was. [And who on this list cares anyway?]
>
> The second problem is enforcement of the current policy. If
> naperville.il.us has broken the .us zone's rules, who's going to do
> anything about that? Is there a disputes procedure? There probably
> is, but how is it activated? [Again, who cares?]
>
> Even if that procedure is invoked, bringing the offending hostmaster
> into line might not be easy. Revoking an active delegation is far from
> straightforward, even when the rule book is on your side. It's
> certainly trivial to delete the NS records in the parent zone. But
> that's not the problem. Zapping the delegation could break Something
> Important, exposing the parent zone and its administrator to legal
> action, irrespective of what contract exists between the parent and
> child (and grandchild?) hostmasters. What if the City of Napierville
> sued because it lost a federal grant because email got bounced unknown
> host instead of getting delivered successfully? Or what if businesses
> with (valid?) delegations under naperville.il.us claim they went bust
> once their web sites became unreachable because the .us zone admin
> pulled the plug on naperville.il.us? How many blameless victims living
> under this zone could there be and what will the .us zone
> administrator do about them before/during/after they pull the plug?
> Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the USA have more lawyers per head
> than anywhere else in the world and an obsessive fondness for
> litigation?