groups marked as 'j' in active still propagated. Why?

Bill Davidsen davidsen at
Tue Mar 30 19:40:09 UTC 2004

Ilya Varlashkin wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 29, 2004 at 04:29:45PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>>Katsuhiro Kondou wrote:
>>>In article <20040320130205.GA60243 at CITADEL.NOBULUS.COM>,
>>>	Ilya Varlashkin <ilya at> wrote;
>>>} Sorry, it's probably silly question, but what is then purpose of 'j'
>>>} groups? I read in active man page that:
>>>innd uses this as if this group does not exist.
>>>Namely, rest of newsgroups that don't have 'j'
>>>are used for newsfeeds.  So, it doesn't mean
>>>article will be stored into junk explicitly.
>>??? I don't have anything marked 'j' currently configured, but I would 
>>swear that those articles wind up in the junk newsgroup. I even have an 
>>old config file which had a cycbuff for that group, although the server 
>>is long gone so I can't look to see if anything actually went there.
> Provided that an article was not cross-posted to anywhere else, and
> from active(5) manpage:
> '...If a newsgroup has the "j" flag, no articles will be filed in that
> newsgroup, and local postings to that group will be rejected.  If an
> article for that newsgroup is received from a remote site, and it is
> not crossposted to some other valid group, it will be filed into the
> "junk" newsgroup instead.'
> So it looks from the man page that articles posted to group with 'j'
> and not cross-posted anywhere else should end up in junk.

Okay, that's exactly the behaviour I was mentioning.
> Now as it ended up in junk and I have !junk towards a peer, why would
> that article still propagated?

Let me clarify. The feeding decision is made based on the groups in the 
newsgroups line, so !junk only affects the posts directly to junk. You 
still need to block the unwanted group, or just don't keep junk (see 
> And if this is not inteded behaviour for 'j' flag, then what makes it
> different from 'n'?

Look carefully at 'n' and 'x' for clarification. INN has many 
interesting options, and the action of them provides great flexibility 
at the expense of complexity. If you still don't understand ask again.

    -bill davidsen (davidsen at
"The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the
  last possible moment - but no longer"  -me

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